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Talking to Discover by David Antin
David Antin wore many hats, including poet, scholar, and educator. Antin could be described as being an in-the-moment poet. He focused on spontaneity and context-based poetic creations. Antin’s signature talk poems were created through improvisation. Any written records of this poetry were transcribed from the original oral format. “An experimentally driven poet, Antin used found text, or juxtapositions of different kinds of texts, to create new linguistic and philosophical meanings in his early published work” (David). Among his multitude of works, Antin published two books of talk poetry, Talking 1) and Talking at the Boundaries 2).
Antin ventured outside of traditionally published poetic works, with creations such as his Sky Poems, written in skywriting through the use of planes. “Antin employed a team of pilots who had developed a skywriting technique called ‘sky typing’ which involved flying in formation & releasing a series of oil-based ‘puffs’ according to a preprogrammed code to produce dot matrix-style text in the sky.” This creative art was performed live for the public.
The first sky poem, 3) used intentional spacing to add multiplicity of meaning:
IF WE GET IT TOGETHER
CAN THEY TAKE IT APART
OR ONLY IF WE LET THEM
In his later career, Antin also worked in the creation of other forms of visual media, like film.
"Talking to Discover"
This oral poetic piece “was originally spoken at the First International Symposium on Ethnopoetics 4).” It takes place as a conversational exchange between David Antin and fellow participants Nathaniel Tarn, Richard Schedner, William Spanos, and Gary Synder.
In the beginning of the piece, Antin equates Ethnopoetics with Human Poetics. Antin advocates for a poetry of open form. He discusses the concept of talking to discover, which he proposes is universal across cultures. Poetry, for Antin, should be in the act of discovering, more specifically discovering self. This occurs in observing and adapting through discourse. To this point, he states, “In all language acts there is always an other” (459).
One example Antin provides to demonstrate this process of talking to discover is as follows (taken from an unpublished doctoral dissertation by Donald Forman titled Indirect Speech Acts, Speech Act Theory and Common Sense:
DF: How did the work in the Post Office change over all those years?
PM: Huhh. We went . . . I went to the Post Office in thirty-six. And it was down on the corner of Main and Catherine—where it still is. And in 1950 they built the substation up on East University and they had that open for 10 years. Then they built the new Post Office out on West Stadium and we moved out there. And in about 1968 they moved a bunch of us right back down to the old Post Office again. So in 56 years, why, we made a full circle—from a dilapidated Post Office to a new Post Office to the original new Post Office and then back to the original old dump. And that's all it is—an old dump down on Main and Catherine. And that was one reason—I could have worked a couple more years—but—I didn't want to work at that place a couple more years. It's nothing but—it was built for horse and buggy days and—it's unfit for present days. Docks are built for high trucks, not for the low trucks as they are now. And it was a pain in the neck to work there any more. So I just retired. I had a year. So to hell with it.
DF: Yeah.
PM: I made a full circle. From a dump to a new Post Office up there to a new Post Office out here and then back to the dump again.That's the story of the Post Office.
The other is often present, as in the above example, in the form of a conversational partner; however, the other can exist even in solitary poetics, such as monologue. Antin gives the example of mantra chanting. Even when there is no outsider observing, only the speaker listening to him-or-herself, there is still an observation that occurs as the chanter hears his or her own words and adapts or “tunes” future speech based on past observations.
Antin's transcribed conversation on the topic of talking to discover, is in itself, an act of discovery, attempting to understand the nature of poetry, and fittingly, does not come to a neat and tidy conclusion, but leaves off, as conversation often does, in an open-ended way.
Poetry as a Process of Discovery
David Antin’s approach to poetry challenges the traditional idea that poems must be written, revised, and perfected. Instead, he saw poetry as something that happens in the moment of speaking. Through his talk pieces, Antin showed that meaning can emerge while we speak, not just after we carefully plan what to say. He believed that poetry could unfold spontaneously through speech. In his talk pieces, Antin demonstrated that meaning can arise during the act of speaking, rather than from pre-planned words. This idea is central to what he called talking to discover. For Antin, poetry wasn't about presenting a finished idea. It was about finding that idea by thinking aloud.
In an interview with Charles Bernstein, Antin explained: “I discovered that when I stood up in front of people and just began to talk, the thinking would begin to shape itself in real time. I wasn’t delivering a poem—I was finding it” You can watch the full video here.. This way of creating poetry is more like a conversation than a performance. It invites the audience into the poet’s thought process, making each talk piece unique and unrepeatable.
By treating speech as a tool for discovery, Antin redefined what poetry could be. He made it more open, personal, and alive—closer to real human experience. His work encourages us to see thinking, speaking, and writing as connected acts of exploration.
Works Cited
“David Antin.” Poets.Org, Academy of American Poets, 8 Mar. 2021, poets.org/poet/david-antin.
Antin, David, and Charles Bernstein. A Conversation with David Antin. Granary Books, 2002.
“David Antin.” Poetry Foundation, https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/david-antin.
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